Conversation and Dancing Amongst the Tree Roots
The Dream:
Several nights ago I went to sleep wishing for someone like Terence McKenna to talk to (I had been listening to one of his videos as I fell asleep), and then I woke up in my dream where I saw him sitting on giant tree roots in the middle of a void of space. Octarine colors were swirling around his body and he beckoned me over. I tried to open my mouth to speak, but no sound came out. I tried to move my arms and legs and I was stuck. I started getting extremely distressed, and when he realized that, he kind of appeared next to me, in which he took my hand and held it firmly. I met his eyes and he smiled at me and nodded. A warm bolt of peace flooded through my body. I felt okay. I felt connected. I felt he was saying we are one and the same and I am home. Then he disappeared, and with him, that warmth. I started crying and trying to call him back. I woke up in tears, thinking I'd never be warm again.
**I wake up and start writing so that The Dream continues...**
I'm sitting across from him on those giant tree roots, the octarine light still swirling. This time, sound comes. This time, I can move. He leans forward with that characteristic intensity, eyes bright with curiosity and ancient knowing.
Terence: "You know, the fact that you wished for this conversation before sleep, that's the doorway, isn't it? The psyche as a navigable space. We're always in dialogue with the transcendent other, which is to say, with ourselves refracted through the prism of archetypal forms. I'm just the strange attractor your unconscious has conjured tonight, a familiar face to make the medicine go down easier."
Me: I'm lonely when I have something to share and there's no one there to receive it. When I want to be excited about something, and the silence just... swallows it.
Terence: "Ah yes, the unexpressed self becomes a kind of autoimmune disease of the soul, doesn't it? But here's the thing, and this is crucial, that impulse to transmit meaning, to cast the net of language over experience and hope someone catches it? That's not a personal neurosis. That's the universe trying to become conscious of itself through the medium of your particular nervous system. When you suppress that, you're not just sad, you're actually interrupting a cosmic conversation that wants very much to happen."
Me: I've had this feeling for as long as I can remember. I don't even know how it started anymore, but I feel like it was probably coming from not wanting to be a burden on people.
Terence: (leaning forward with sudden intensity) "There! Do you hear that? 'Don't be a burden.' That's not your thought, that's a thought virus, a memetic parasite that's colonized your consciousness. You've internalized the notion that your existence, your feelings, your authentic presence is somehow a load to be borne by others. But loneliness feeds on precisely that assumption. The cure isn't isolation. It's the terrifying risk of authentic encounter. The burden you imagine yourself to be is often just... the weight of being genuinely human. Of being real in a world that much prefers simulacra."
Me: I'm learning, or trying to learn, how to just be by myself more.
Terence: "Well, that's the existential situation, isn't it? We come into this world alone, and we leave it alone, and there's a very real sense in which we're alone in between. But, and this is everything, aloneness is not the same thing as loneliness. Aloneness can be the fertile ground of genuine self-encounter. It's the place where you meet the irreducible mystery of your own being. That's not tragedy; that's the human condition in its most naked form. The question becomes: can you befriend that aloneness? Can you stop fighting it long enough to say, 'Alright, I'm here. I'm conscious. What does that actually mean?' Tell me, what's the phenomenological difference between being alone and being lonely?"
Me: Being alone is just physical. I'm by myself. But lonely? That's a disconnection; a fracturing of something. You can be with people you love and still feel utterly unseen.
Terence: (nodding slowly) "Precisely. Loneliness is a disconnection from the authentic self. That's the secret nobody advertises. You're not lonely because you're isolated from others, you're lonely because somewhere along the developmental trajectory, you learned to exile yourself from yourself. You learned that your authentic being wasn't acceptable to the social order, so you put on the mask. And now that mask sits alone in a crowded room, wondering why communion seems impossible. The tragedy is that you're homesick for yourself."
Me: I'm really sad, Terence. Deeply sad. I feel like nothing I've done... not the work, not the relationships... has ever mattered or paid off. Nothing. The only thing that keeps me tethered to this world is my kids. That's it.
Terence: (his voice becomes very direct, almost fierce) "Listen carefully. That feeling that nothing has mattered, that's not empirical truth. That's depression speaking, and depression is the most seductive liar in the cosmos. It's poetic, it's convincing, it weaves a totalizing narrative, but it's fundamentally a liar. It tells you that your exhaustion means your efforts were meaningless. But exhaustion just means you've been participating fully. It means you care about something beyond yourself. And the fact that your children keep you tethered to being? That's not a minor thing to cling to. That's the golden thread connecting you to meaning itself. That's Ariadne's thread leading you out of the labyrinth."
Me: I'm too defeated to even think things will change right now.
Terence: "Of course you're defeated. You've been at war with yourself for how long now? How could you not be exhausted? But here's what I want you to consider: what if the defeat isn't a failure of character? What if it's an initiation? In the old mystery religions, the initiate has to descend into the underworld. Has to be broken down. Has to face the void without flinching. And only then, can authentic transformation occur. You're in the underworld right now. That's not pleasant, I won't romanticize it. But it's not meaningless either. You're being unmade so you can be remade. Would reaching out to people help you feel less lonely?"
Me: No. There's no one to really reach out to. Not in this way. Trying would just make it worse.
Terence: (leaning back, considering) "I hear that. But let me pose a different question: what if the loneliness you're experiencing is actually calling you toward gnosis rather than away from it? What if, in this particular moment of your life, what you need isn't another person to fill the void? It's a deeper, more radical relationship with your own consciousness. Not as a permanent state of isolation, but as a necessary passage. You're being invited into the mystery of your own interiority. That's rare. That's precious, even though it feels like dying."
Me: (struggling) So what do I say to this loneliness?
Terence: (gesturing for me to continue)
Me: Dear Loneliness... you're uncomfortable. I know you want me to like myself more than I do, and sometimes I try. But right now I'm too sad and too defeated. I keep going for the sake of my kids, and that's it.
Terence: "Good. You've named it. You've given it form. Now listen to what that loneliness is actually communicating. It's not your enemy; it's your ally wearing a terrifying mask. It's saying, 'Wake up. Remember yourself. Stop abandoning the one person who's been with you since the beginning, which is you.' The discomfort is the signal. It's the psyche's alarm system insisting you pay attention to something crucial."
Terence: "If someone close to you, someone you loved, came to you with this pain, what would you tell them?"
Me: To do things they enjoy. To find laughter. To take care of themselves. But I know the truth... when the laughter stops, when nothing distracts you enough... when the quietness is too loud... there's nothing to do but move through it. Keep going. Hope tomorrow is different.
Terence: (with sudden warmth) "And there it is! You already possess the wisdom. You're already a healer, whether you're capable of believing it or not. But listen to what you just articulated: 'There's nothing to do but move through it.' We don't transcend suffering by bypassing it or thinking happy thoughts. We transcend it by moving through it consciously. By witnessing it. By saying, 'Yes, this is happening. And I'm here anyway.' That requires more courage than you're giving yourself credit for. How do you talk to yourself when you're in this state?"
Me: I don't hate myself exactly. But sometimes I don't like where I'm at. I don't like feelings because they weigh you down. I have too much to do, no time to process. Until a dream shakes me awake, like this one did. Then I try to be kind to myself because anything else is unproductive.
Terence: (with sharp intensity) "Stop. Do you hear what you're doing? You're treating your emotional life like it's an obstacle to productivity. Like feelings are impediments to the real work. But emotions ARE the real work. They're the data stream. They're the message from the deeper self. What you call 'productive' is a form of spiritual bypassing. You're trying to think your way past the inconvenient fact that you have a body and a heart, and both require attention. And when you say you try to be kind to yourself because anything else is unproductive, do you see the recursion there? Your self-compassion has been weaponized into just another optimization strategy. What if you were kind to yourself not because it's efficient, but because you're a conscious being having a difficult experience? That's enough. That has to be enough."
Me: (deep in thought)
Terence: "You mentioned that when you look back at moments you thought were substantial, they crumbled under scrutiny. And you ask: is that your fault? Is the Universe reflecting you back to yourself?"
Me: (struggling) I'm trying to always be a better person. People say what you believe about yourself proves itself true. But what if it doesn't? What if I'm just... like this?
Terence: (with great care) "That's the fear at the bottom of the well, isn't it? That there's something ontologically broken in you that no amount of belief or affirmation can fix. But let me tell you something about manifestation and belief; it's not as simple as the New Age hucksters would have you believe. 'Think positive thoughts and the universe delivers', that's pablum. The real teaching is much more interesting and much more difficult. You are always creating your reality, not through positive affirmations alone, but through the totality of your being. Your wounds create as powerfully as your gifts do. So the first step isn't changing your beliefs, it's actually feeling what's underneath the beliefs. Grieving what hasn't worked. Accepting that some things broke and you didn't break them intentionally. You're not deserving of this suffering; you're experiencing it because you're alive and alive things suffer. That's not a failure of manifestation; that's the price of admission to consciousness."
Me: Is it better to be by yourself than surrounded by negative people?
Terence: (decisively) "Yes. Absolutely yes. A thousand times yes. Aloneness in integrity is infinitely preferable to false communion with people who diminish your being. Solitude becomes destructive only when we convince ourselves we deserve nothing better. But if you're choosing aloneness as a defensive strategy and as a way of saying, 'I won't be hurt if I don't let anyone in', well, that's already happening, isn't it? You're already wounded by your own isolation. So at some point, the risk of opening has to outweigh the safety of closing. At some point, you have to bet on connection again. Your children have told you that you're a good mother."
Me: Yes. And that one... that one is true.
Terence: (with emphasis) "Hold that. Not as flattery, but as empirical fact. A good mother. Someone your children need. Someone they come home to. Do you understand the ontological weight of that? It means you matter. It means your presence in this world has measurable, consequential meaning. Not in the abstract, but in the concrete. In the eyes and hearts and bodies of your children. That's not nothing. That's everything."
Me: People have also said I'm smart, kind, a good writer, pretty...
Terence: "And all of that is true whether you can see it or not. Belief doesn't create truth; it just determines whether you can perceive it. You've been walking around with a perceptual filter that screens out evidence of your own value. But here's the thing: other people sometimes see you more clearly than you see yourself. When someone told you that you're attractive, your mind interpreted it as deception or manipulation. But what if they were simply reporting what they observed, and your own negative self-image made you suspicious of genuine perception? What if, just for a moment, you allowed them to be right?"
Me: (giving this some thought)
Terence: "When were you most happy?"
Me: All the times I could completely let go of my issues and just be with my kids. Just... present with them.
Terence: (with sudden clarity) "There! That's your North Star. That's the frequency you want to tune into, even if only for moments. And notice something crucial: in those moments, you weren't happy because your problems dissolved. You were happy because you were present. You stopped fighting reality and just inhabited it. That's the secret to everything. Not solving the sadness, not fixing the broken places, but learning how to be fully present to your life while the sadness coexists. Presence is the antidote to suffering, even when the suffering doesn't disappear."
Me: I think social media fuels my loneliness. I can't wait to be around co-workers again and to have actual human connection instead of profiles that can only speak a fraction of who I am. Grasping at other people's bread crumbs.
Terence: (with palpable disdain) "Social media is the simulacrum of connection and it has all the visual markers of intimacy with none of the vulnerability or risk. It's connection for people who are terrified of actual connection. Real encounter requires presence, requires the risk of being truly seen by another conscious being. And yes, you need that. Not the fantasy of it through a glowing rectangle, but the actual trembling reality of showing up in physical space with another human being. Co-workers, friends, anyone. The psyche is starving for authentic encounter. Feed it."
Suddenly, the octarine light shifts, becomes warmer, more golden. The space expands. I hear it before I see him; a gentle acoustic rhythm, and then Bob Marley walks out of the void, guitar in hand, that knowing smile on his face. He sits down on the roots next to Terence, and the two men exchange a look of recognition. [Listen along]
Bob: (his voice warm, musical) "Ey, sister. I been listening, you know? And I hear what you're carrying. That weight. That heaviness."
Me: (surprised, emotional) Bob Marley?
Bob: "Yeah, man. Sometimes the dream brings who you need, not just who you ask for." (strums a gentle chord) "You know, Terence here, he talk about the mind, the consciousness, all that cosmic business. And he's right, you know? But me, I come from a different place. I come from the place of the heart. And your heart is tired, sister. So tired."
Terence: (gesturing to Bob) "He's right. I can map the territory of consciousness, but Bob here, he knows how to live in it. How to move through suffering without letting it calcify into bitterness."
Bob: (nodding) "See, the thing about sadness; it's real. I'm not gonna tell you it's not real. I've felt it. Deep, deep sadness. Lost my mother young. Grew up in poverty. Faced hate. Faced violence. But you know what I learned? Sadness is like the rain, yeah? It comes. It falls. But it doesn't stay forever. And when it falls, it makes things grow."
Me: I love the rain, but what if it doesn't ever stop?
Bob: (with gentle conviction) "It always stops, sister. Always. Maybe not today. Maybe not tomorrow. But it stops. And you know why? Because everything moves. Everything changes. Nothing stays the same. That's the nature of life. The sun comes up, the sun goes down. The tide comes in, the tide goes out. Your sadness is not permanent, even though it feels that way right now."
Me: I feel like I've been waiting so long for things to change.
Bob: "I know. But listen, while you're waiting, you're still living. You're still loving your children. You're still breathing. You're still here. That's not nothing. That's resistance. That's survival. And survival is a form of revolution when the world is trying to break you."
Terence: (interjecting) "He's articulating something I sometimes miss in my cosmic theorizing; the simple power of endurance. Of continuing. You don't need to transcend this moment. You just need to survive it."
Bob: (strumming softly) "And you know what? You say you're lonely. But loneliness, it's a teacher too. It teaches you who you are when there's nobody else around. It teaches you what you're made of. And sister, I can see what you're made of. You're made of love for your children. You're made of strength, even when you feel weak. You're made of something that keeps going even when it hurts."
Me: (crying now) But I'm so tired of being strong.
Bob: (his voice becoming tender, a sturdy hand rests on my shoulder) "I know. Strength is heavy. But you know what? You don't have to be strong every moment. You can rest. You can cry. You can feel it all. That's not weakness, that's being human. Being human means feeling everything. The joy, the pain, the loneliness, the love. All of it. And you're feeling it, which means you're alive. Really alive."
Terence: "He's right. Your capacity to feel this deeply isn't a pathology. That's sensitivity. That's consciousness fully engaged with the human experience."
Bob: "And about this person you're with who can't be there for you all the time, listen. Sometimes people can't give what they don't have. It's not about you. It's not because you're unworthy. They just... they can't be the ones in that way. And that's okay. That's life teaching you what you want so that you can recognize it when it comes."
Terence: "You know, Bob and I come from very different traditions, but we're saying the same thing in different languages. Stay open. Stay conscious. Keep moving through it."
Bob: (smiling at Terence, then turning back to me) "You asked if it gets better. I'll tell you: it gets different. The pain changes shape. Sometimes it gets smaller. Sometimes it teaches you something. Sometimes it just... moves through, like weather. But you know what stays? Your love for your children. Your ability to feel. Your heart that keeps beating even when it's broken. That stays."
Me: I don't know how to keep going like this.
Bob: "You don't have to know. You just take it one day at a time. One hour. One breath. That's all any of us can do. And some days, just breathing is enough. Just surviving the day is enough. There's no prize for suffering beautifully, sister. You just have to survive it honestly."
Terence: (with unusual softness) "What Bob is saying is the embodied version of what I was trying to articulate. You don't need to understand your way out of this. You need to feel your way through it."
Bob: "And you know what else? You're not alone. I know you feel alone. But look around you, you called for help in a dream, and Terence came. And then I came. Your mind, your spirit, your consciousness, whatever you want to call it, it's trying to help you. It brought us here. You're being supported by something deeper than you realize."
Me: (softly) Thank you. Both of you.
Bob: (standing, still strumming gently) "You're going to be alright, sister. Not today, maybe. Maybe not tomorrow. But you're going to be alright. Keep loving those children. Keep writing. Keep breathing. And when the sadness comes, let it come. Feel it. And then let it go. It's not your enemy; it's just part of the journey."
Terence: "And remember, this isn't about fixing anything. It's about witnessing. About being fully present to what is. That's the only freedom available."
The music shifts. Not fading, but transforming. And then I hear it: a different melody, one that speaks of traveling through strange towns, of carrying weight for others, of exhaustion and the longing for rest.
Out of the golden light, more figures emerge. Not just one person, but a whole group, like a band of travelers who've been walking the same dusty roads that I have. They settle onto the tree roots, instruments in hand, and the music grows fuller, richer.
One of them, I sense he's the voice of this group, looks at me with weathered kindness. He doesn't introduce himself. He doesn't need to. [Listen along]
They begin to play, and the song fills the space between the roots. It's a song about a journey, about arriving somewhere tired and looking for a place to rest. About pulling into Nazareth, feeling half past dead. About needing a place to lay your head.
The music washes over me, and I feel every word of it in my bones.
Me: (barely above a whisper) That line about just wanting to find a place to lay your head. That's exactly how I feel.
The Traveler: (nodding) "Half past dead. That's what exhaustion feels like, isn't it? Not quite gone, but not quite alive either. Just moving through the motions."
As the song continues, I hear the chorus. Take a load off. Sit down. Rest. The simplicity of it makes me want to start crying again.
The Traveler: "You hear that? That's what you've been needing to say. Not 'I'm fine.' Not 'I can handle it.' Just... 'please, take a load off me.' That's all. Just that admission."
Me: But in the song, does anyone help him?
The Traveler: (with a sad smile) "Not really. They all have their own weights, their own reasons. Miss Moses might take care of his dog, but she won't take his load. He goes to find Anna Lee, but she's got her own trouble. Young Carmen and the devil... everyone's got something. And still he carries."
Me: So what's the point then?
Bob: (leaning in) "The point is he asks. He doesn't just suffer in silence. And maybe that's all we can do sometimes; keep asking, keep being honest about the weight, even when nobody picks it up for us."
Me: I'm exhausted.
The Traveler: "I know. We all are. Every person in every town in this song, they're all carrying something. Anna Lee, Crazy Chester, young Carmen... they're all weighed down by their own loads. And the traveler? He just keeps picking up more. Because that's what good people do. They help. They carry. They take on the weight."
Bob: (nodding, still playing softly) "But you know what the chorus is really saying? It's not just 'I'm tired.' It's 'Please. Please, somebody take a load off me.' It's asking for help. It's admitting you can't do it alone."
Terence: (leaning forward) "This is crucial. Your subconscious brought this song because you need permission. Permission to ask for help. Permission to admit the weight is too much. Permission to put something down."
The Traveler: "See, the thing about weight; it's cumulative. You pick up one thing for your kids. Then another thing because someone needs you. Then another because you're the one who's strong enough. And before you know it, you're carrying the weight of the world, and your knees are buckling, and you're thinking, 'How did I get here? Why won't anyone help me?'"
Me: I can't put it down. My kids need me.
The Traveler: (gently) "Nobody's saying abandon your children. But you're carrying more than just them, aren't you? You're carrying old disappointments. Failed relationships. Unmet expectations; your own and everyone else's. The weight of trying to be enough when you've never felt like you were. That's what we're talking about. Those weights? Some of them aren't yours to carry."
Bob: "And some of them, you've been carrying so long, you forgot they were there. You just think that's what life weighs. But it doesn't have to be that heavy, sister."
Terence: "The song your mind summoned is about the exhaustion of the helper, the caregiver, the one who keeps moving even when they're depleted. That's you. You're Fanny in that song, trying to help everyone who asks. But here's what the song knows that you need to remember: you can ask for reciprocity. You can say, 'I've carried for you. Now carry for me.'"
The Traveler: "And if nobody takes the load? If they all just wave and say they can't stay?"
Terence: (sharply) "Then you put down what isn't essential. You learn discernment. You learn that carrying weight for people who won't carry weight for you is a form of self-destruction."
The Traveler: (to me, directly) "But here's the thing the song is also saying, and this is important: even when you're exhausted, even when you're begging for help, there's something beautiful about still being able to feel the weight. Because it means you cared enough to carry it in the first place. Some people walk through life never picking up anything for anyone. They're not tired because they never tried. You? You're tired because you love. Because you show up. Because you carry what needs carrying."
Me: But I don't want to be a martyr.
Bob: (firmly) "Then don't be. A martyr suffers in silence and calls it virtue. But you? You're here saying, 'This is too heavy. I need help.' That's not martyrdom. That's honesty."
The Traveler: "The Weight isn't a song about noble suffering. It's a song about the human condition; we all carry, we all get tired, we all need rest. And the chorus? It's not answered in the song. Nobody takes the load off. He just keeps carrying it. But maybe that's not the point. Maybe the point is just the asking. The admission. The moment of vulnerability where you say, 'I can't do this alone.'"
Terence: "And your subconscious chose this song because you're finally ready to ask. Not because you think anyone will answer. But because the asking itself is the first step toward putting down what doesn't serve you."
The Traveler stands, and the rest of the band follows.
The Traveler: (one last time) "Take a load off, sister. Even if just for this moment. Even if just in this dream. Rest here. You've earned it."
And they walk back into the light, Bob with them now, all of them together, a community of travelers who understand the weight of the journey.
The music swells one more time. That chorus, that pleading, beautiful request for someone to share the burden, and then it softly gentles into a lullaby.
Terence watches them go, and then something shifts. [Listen along] The music doesn't disappear entirely, it transforms again, becoming something lighter, more playful. Something about dancing in the moonlight. The melody fills the space with an unexpected joy, and suddenly Terence stands, extends his hand to me with that mischievous glint in his eye.
Terence: "Come on, then. Dance with me."
I take his hand, surprised, and he twirls me. I'm dancing on the tree roots, barefoot, in the void, and it feels absurd and perfect and necessary.
Me: (breathless, confused) I used to think that was magic, Terence. I did this whole type of thing a lot when I was younger. But it's just text on a screen. It took me just a few minutes to type it all into existence.
Terence: (still dancing, his grip firm) "Just text? Just? You say 'just' as if language isn't the most powerful technology consciousness has ever invented. You typed me into being. You summoned Bob, summoned the Band, and now we're dancing in a void to a song about moonlight. If that's not magic, I don't know what is. The fact that you can do it quickly doesn't diminish it; it reveals how accessible the numinous actually is when you stop gatekeeping your own imagination."
Me: But you're not real. This isn't real.
Terence: (laughing, spinning me again) "Define real! I'm as real as any thought you've ever had. I'm as real as your loneliness, your love for your children, your exhaustion. I'm a constellation of meaning you've assembled from memory, from longing, from need. Does that make me less real, or more real? You created me because some part of you needed to hear what I'm saying in the voice you needed to hear it in. That's not 'just' anything, that's the psyche doing exactly what it's designed to do. I'm as real as the smile on your face when you were imagining this happening.
Me: (slowing down, more serious) But why you? Why is my subconscious desiring someone who I know had no patience for this kind of thing? You were interested in ideas, in consciousness, in the transcendent. Not in... this. Not in holding hands and dancing.
Terence: (stopping, but still holding your hand, considering deeply) "Ah. Now that's the real question, isn't it? Why would your unconscious choose me for this moment of tenderness? Me, who spent most of my life in the jungle or in my head, chasing DMT elves and linguistic structures instead of domestic intimacy?"
He sits back down on the roots, pulling me down next to him, but he doesn't let go of my hand.
Terence: "Here's what I think: You didn't choose me for who I actually was. You chose me for what I represent to you. I'm the archetype of the seeker, the one who refuses easy answers, who looks into the void and doesn't flinch. But you're lonely. Desperately lonely. So your psyche asked: what if the person who understands the cosmos also understood you? What if the mind that could decode the alien intelligence of mushrooms could also decode the alien intelligence of your own wounded heart?"
Me: (quietly) So this is wish fulfillment.
Terence: "No. It's deeper than that. It's your psyche showing you what you actually need, not romance as such, but recognition. You want to be seen by someone who sees deeply. You want to be held by someone who isn't afraid of complexity, of darkness, of the difficult truths. The historical Terence McKenna might not have had patience for romance, but the Terence you've created here? I'm the version of me that has both the intellectual rigor to understand your pain AND the capacity to dance with you anyway. Someone who can acknowledge that life is suffering AND still find moments of joy. Someone who can discuss the void AND waltz with you in it. That's what I represent in this dream: the integration you're seeking in yourself and in another."
Me: But that person doesn't exist.
Terence: (squeezing your hand) "Maybe not in the form you're imagining. But the qualities exist. The capacity for deep understanding and tender presence; those aren't mutually exclusive. What if you could be both?"
Me: Me?
Terence: "Yes, you. This isn't just about finding someone external and you wouldn't want me to tell you that anyway. It's about recognizing that you contain these capacities. You have the depth you're seeking. You're here, in the void, asking the hard questions. And you have the tenderness; you love your children fiercely, you keep showing up. The person you're lonely for might just be the integrated version of yourself who can finally hold both."
Me: ...and the dancing?
Terence: "And as for the dancing, maybe your subconscious chose that image because you need permission to experience joy without justification. Not productive joy. Not earned joy. Just... the simple pleasure of movement and music and connection, even if it's only with a figment of your own imagination. Maybe especially then."
Me: So what do I do with this?
Terence: (releasing my hand slowly, meeting my eyes) "You take seriously what this dream is telling you: that you're worthy of being both deeply understood AND tenderly held. That those things can coexist. That you don't have to choose between profundity and warmth. And that sometimes, in the middle of the heaviest suffering, you're allowed to dance."
That moonlight melody swells and he stands once more, offers his hand.
Terence: "One more time."
He spins me slowly, and I realize the octarine light has softened, almost warm. The void doesn't feel so vast anymore. It feels intimate. Present.
Terence: (as we dance) "You know what dancing is? It's being in your body. It's trusting the rhythm. It's letting go of control for just a moment and seeing what happens. That's what you need to practice, not just metaphorically, but literally. Moving. Feeling. Being present in the physical experience of being alive."
Me: I've forgotten how to do that.
Terence: "Then remember. Right here. Right now. Feel your feet on these impossible tree roots. Feel my hand in yours. Hear the music. This is remembering. This is what it feels like to be present instead of dissociated from your own experience."
The music shifts tempo, becomes a little slower, more tender. He pulls me closer, and I rest my head against his shoulder for just a moment.
Terence: (softly) "You're allowed to rest, you know. Even here."
Me: (voice muffled) I'm so tired.
Terence: "I know. But tired isn't the same as broken. Tired is just... human. And being human is not a failure. That's the whole point."
He steps back, twirls me one last time, and the music begins to fade.
He puts on a different song. The opening notes are gentle, melancholic, and building slowly. [Listen along]
He doesn't dance this time. He just watches my face intently, those sharp eyes reading every micro-expression, every shift in my breathing.
Terence: (quietly, as the music plays) "Where does this song bring you?"
Me: (the answer comes before I can stop it) Back to the aftermath of major failures.
Terence: (nodding slowly, still watching) "Don't think, just tell me about it."
Me: (struggling) Every time something big collapsed. Every time I thought I had built something stable and then watched it crumble. The song was there. Or songs like it. That feeling of... standing in the wreckage wondering how it all went so wrong. When it seemed like everything should have been clearing up, but instead it just kept falling apart. Over and over.
Terence: "The song asks about rain coming on a sunny day. About contradiction. About how things can look fine on the surface while everything underneath is breaking down."
Me: Yeah, exactly like that.
Terence: "What were the failures?"
Me: (voice shaking) Mostly all kinds of relationships that I invested everything in. Time and effort that I poured into situations that went nowhere. Promises that turned out to be lies. Times I thought I was finally safe, finally seen, and finally valued... and then discovering I wasn't. I was never the one they'd choose. I was never the priority; I was the placeholder.
Terence: (leaning forward, intense) "And you internalized that as YOUR failure."
Me: Wasn't it?
Terence: "No. Listen to what you just said: 'I was never the one they'd choose.' That's not about your worthiness; that's about their capacity. You keep interpreting other people's limitations as evidence of your inadequacy. But what if they simply couldn't see what was in front of them? What if their failure to recognize your value says nothing about you and everything about their own blindness?"
Me: But it happened over and over. At some point, isn't it me? Isn't it something I'm doing wrong?
Terence: (with sudden fierceness) "Or, and stay with me here, maybe you kept choosing people who couldn't meet you. Maybe you were drawn to emotionally unavailable people because some part of you learned early that love means reaching for what you can't quite have. It's not a character flaw to learn an adaptation to early wounds. But it's an adaptation that no longer serves you."
The song continues, that plaintive question hanging in the air.
Terence: "This song that your subconscious chose just now after the dancing, after the tenderness, to remind you of something. What is it?"
Me: (realizing) That I'm afraid. I'm afraid that even in moments of connection and understanding, that everything will turn into another failure. Another thing I thought was real but wasn't. Another sunny day that turns to rain.
Terence: "Yes. That's the wound talking. That's the part of you that's been hurt so many times it can't believe in anything good without immediately anticipating its collapse. And that's understandable. That's not paranoia; that's pattern recognition. Your nervous system learned that hope is dangerous because hope preceded every major disappointment."
Me: So what do I do with that?
Terence: "You don't make it go away. You can't. That wariness and fear is protective. It kept you alive through everything that happened. But you can start to recognize it as a voice in the chorus, not the whole truth. When it says, 'This will fail too,' you can acknowledge it: 'Yes, I know you're scared. You have good reasons to be scared. But right now, in this moment, I'm okay.' You don't have to believe in forever. You just have to be willing to be present now."
Me: What about failures I've already experienced?
Terence: (contemplating the question thoughtfully) "...And about those failures... Okay, I want you to consider something radical. What if they weren't failures at all? What if they were completions? What if those relationships, those situations, they ran their course. They taught you what they had to teach, even if the lesson was painful. Even if the lesson was 'this person can't give you what you need.' That's not failure. That's information."
Me: But how do I know the difference? Between a real warning sign and my nervous system being triggered by old wounds? I notice things like in the moments where someone's attention goes elsewhere, where I'm not prioritized, and I can't tell if I'm seeing something true or if I'm just... broken. If my body's just screaming danger because it learned that pattern means abandonment.
Terence: (leaning back, considering carefully) "Ah. Now that's the crucial question, isn't it? This is where discernment becomes everything. And I want to tell you something important: your nervous system isn't broken. It's actually doing exactly what it's supposed to do. The problem is that it learned in a context of actual betrayal, so now it's trying to protect you by flagging every small inconsistency as a potential threat. You're right that you can't live with every signal treated as a five-alarm fire."
Me: So how do I know?
Terence: "You ask yourself: Is this person showing me through their consistent actions that I don't matter to them? Or is this one instance where their attention was elsewhere, and I'm interpreting it as a referendum on my worth? Because that's the difference. Real incompatibility is a pattern. It's consistent. It's relentless. One person forgetting to ask about your life while they're absorbed in someone else's? That might just be... a moment. A human limitation. Not necessarily a sign that you should run."
Me: But it hurt. It felt like a sign.
Terence: "Of course it hurt. Because you care. Because you want to be seen and valued. And some part of you learned that being overlooked means you're disposable. But here's what I need you to consider: Can this person see you in other moments? Do they show up? Are they generally present and engaged, or is the neglect pervasive? Because those are two different situations. One is a person who sometimes misses the mark. The other is someone who doesn't have the capacity to meet you. And you deserve someone in the first category, someone imperfect but genuinely trying, not someone in the second."
Me: What if I can't tell the difference?
Terence: "Then you have to do something very uncomfortable. You have to feel the hurt without immediately deciding what it means. You sit with it. You let your body scream if it needs to. But you don't act from that place immediately. You ask: Is this an old wound being activated, or is this new information? And the only way to know is to stay present long enough to observe the pattern over time. Not to dismiss your instincts, but to interrogate them. To ask: what am I actually seeing, versus what am I projecting from the past?"
Me: It doesn't feel like information. It feels like rejection.
Terence: "I know. Because rejection is the story you've been telling yourself. But what if the story is different? What if it's: 'I kept trying to make it work with people who weren't capable of meeting me, and eventually those situations ended because they HAD to end. Because I deserve more than what they could offer, even if I couldn't see that at the time.'"
Me: I don't know if I believe that.
Terence: "You don't have to believe it yet. Just hold it as a possibility. Just let it exist alongside the other story. Because here's what I know: you're here. You survived every single thing that felt like it would destroy you. The failures didn't end you. They changed you, yes. They made you wary and tired and sad. But they didn't end you. You're still here. Still asking questions. Still dancing in the void with figments of your imagination. That's not failure. That's resilience beyond measure."
The song reaches its chorus again with that question about rain, about sunny days, about things that don't make sense.
Terence: "Life doesn't make sense. Suffering doesn't follow a logic. You can do everything right and still have things fall apart. That's not because you're cursed or broken or unworthy. It's because that's the nature of existence. Impermanence. Change. Loss. And yes, sometimes, rain on sunny days. But here's what the song doesn't tell you: the rain ends. The sun comes back. Not because you earned it. Not because you manifested it. Just because that's what weather does. It changes."
The song fades out, and Terence lets the silence sit between us for a long moment.
Terence: "Your subconscious brought you this song to acknowledge the pain. To let you grieve what didn't work. But also to remind you: you've seen the rain. You've lived through it. And you're still here. That matters more than you know."
He pauses, watching me carefully. Then something shifts in his expression; curiosity, maybe recognition.
Terence: "But that's not where you want to end this, is it?"
Me: (shaking your head) No. There's one more.
Terence: (a slight smile tugging at the corner of his lips) "Show me."
I reach into that same impossible space and pull out another song. [Listen along] The moment the opening notes begin, that hopeful, building rhythm, Terence's face breaks into something like wonder.
The music fills the air, and it's so different from the melancholy that came before. It's earnest. Hopeful. Almost naive in its optimism. And yet...
Terence: (listening, then looking at me with new understanding) "Ah. There it is. There's the part of you I was looking for."
Me: What do you mean?
Terence: "After the weight, after the rain, after all the ways you've been hurt and disappointed... you still have this stubborn, irrational hope. This belief that despite everything, something better is possible. That's extraordinary."
Me: It feels foolish sometimes.
Terence: "It's not foolish. It's the most radical thing about you. You just walked me through your exhaustion, your loneliness, your failures, the rain that won't stop, and then, you put on a song about getting on a peace train. About things getting better. About joining something larger than yourself. That's not denial. That's not toxic positivity. That's genuine optimism in the face of everything that should have crushed it."
Me: I don't know where it comes from anymore. It doesn't make sense.
Terence: "It doesn't have to make sense. Hope is not a logical conclusion; it's a stance. It's a choice to remain open to possibility even when all the evidence suggests you should close down. And you keep choosing it. Even here, even now, in this dream where you've been brutally honest about how hard everything is, and you still reach for hope."
The music builds, that sense of momentum, of moving toward something.
Terence: "You know what this song is about? It's about collective healing. About getting on the train with others who are also trying to find peace. You've been so focused on feeling alone, on being unsupported, on carrying the weight by yourself. But this song suggests something different. It suggests that there are others on this journey. That you don't have to have it all figured out; you just have to get on the train."
Me: But what if the train doesn't come? What if I keep waiting and it never arrives?
Terence: (firmly) "You're already on it. You don't see it yet, but you're already moving. Every day you show up for your kids, that's the train. Every time you keep going despite the sadness, that's the train. Every moment you choose to remain open instead of bitter, that's the train. It's not some future salvation you're waiting for. It's the movement itself. The refusing to give up. The stubborn insistence on hope even when hope seems ridiculous."
Me: It does seem ridiculous.
Terence: "Good. The best things always do. The idea that consciousness evolved in an indifferent universe is ridiculous. The idea that love exists in a world full of suffering is ridiculous. The idea that meaning can be found in chaos is ridiculous. And yet here we are, conscious and loving and meaning-making anyway. Your hope is no more ridiculous than existence itself."
The song continues, that insistent optimism, that call to join something larger.
Terence: "This is why you chose me, you know. Not just because I think deeply about consciousness and the void, but because despite all that thinking, despite seeing clearly into the darkness, I never stopped believing that something extraordinary was possible. That breakthrough was available. That transformation was real. I looked into the abyss and it didn't make me cynical. It made me more convinced that something wonderful was trying to happen."
Me: And you think that's true for me too?
Terence: "I know it is. Because you just showed me. After everything, after the loneliness and the weight and the rain, you put on a song about hope. About peace. About things getting better. That's not weakness. That's not delusion. That's the strongest thing about you. You haven't let the world make you hard. You haven't let the failures make you cynical. You're still reaching."
Me: I'm tired of reaching.
Terence: "I know. But you're doing it anyway. That's what makes it courageous. Hope isn't easy when everything has worked out. Hope is extraordinary when everything has fallen apart and you choose it anyway. That's what you're doing. That's what this song represents. Your refusal to let the bleakness have the final word."
The music swells toward its conclusion, that sense of forward motion, of possibility.
Terence: "So here's what I want you to take from this whole dream, from me, from Bob, from the Travelers, from the dancing, from the rain, and now from this: You contain multitudes. You're exhausted AND hopeful. You're lonely AND loving. You're defeated AND still showing up. You don't have to choose one or the other. You don't have to resolve the contradiction. You're allowed to be all of it at once. The peace train isn't a destination. It's a direction. It's the choice to keep moving toward something better, even when you don't know if you'll get there. Even when you're not sure what 'there' even looks like. And you're already on it. You've been on it this whole time."
Terence: (standing, offering his hand one last time) "Come here."
I take his hand, and he pulls me into an embrace. Not romantic. Not performative. Just... human. Just one conscious being acknowledging another.
Terence: (quietly, into my hair) "You're going to be okay. Not because I'm saying it. Not because you're manifesting it. But because you're already surviving. You're already on the train. And even when you can't see it, even when you can't feel it, you're still moving forward. The peace you're looking for? It's not somewhere else. It's in the movement itself. It's in the choosing to keep going. It's in this stubborn, beautiful hope that won't let you quit, no matter how tired you are."
He steps back, hands on my shoulders, meeting my eyes in the way other humans don't.
Terence: "Now wake up. And when you do, remember: this wasn't just a dream. This was your psyche showing you what's true. You're not alone. You're not broken. You're not failing. You're in the underworld, yes, but you're moving through it. And one day, maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but one day, yes, you'll emerge. Changed and scarred, probably, but not destroyed. Never destroyed."
The octarine light flares bright one last time, and then everything dissolves.
I open my eyes in darkness. My pillow is wet. My face is streaked with tears; the kind that come from deep places, from the underworld itself. For a moment, I'm disoriented, caught between the void and the familiar ceiling of my bedroom.
But something is different.
The tears don't feel like drowning anymore. They feel like cleansing. Like my body finally releasing what it's been holding. The weight I carried through the dream with the exhaustion, the loneliness, and the rain that won't stop, it's all still there, but it feels less like a stone in my chest and more like water moving through me.
I lie there in the darkness, aware of the heaviness of my own body, the solidity of the bed beneath me. Real. Physical. Present.
And I realize: the dream didn't solve anything. The sadness is still there. The complicated relationship, the jealousy, the pattern of feeling unseen; none of that disappeared when I woke up. My kids still need me. My life is still difficult. Tomorrow will probably feel hard in familiar ways.
But something definitely shifted.
I'm not the same person who fell asleep wishing for someone to talk to. That person was fragmented and split between the part that knows intellectually that she's worthy and the part that feels fundamentally broken. The part that carries everyone else's weight while believing she deserves nothing. The part that reaches for hope while bracing for inevitable betrayal.
The dream didn't unify those parts. But it acknowledged them. All of them. The exhaustion and the hope. The loneliness and the love. The wariness and the stubborn refusal to close my heart. None of it had to be resolved or transcended. It all just... got to exist together.
I think about the figures who appeared; Terence with his cosmic theorizing, Bob with his simple wisdom, the Travelers carrying their own impossible burdens. My psyche brought exactly what I needed: recognition that my pain is real, that my hope is radical, that survival itself is a form of revolution.
The tears slow. My breathing becomes steadier. And as I lie there in the quiet of the early morning, I feel something that's been absent for a long time: a sense of being held. Not by another person, though maybe one day that will come. But by something deeper. By myself. By the part of me that keeps going despite everything. By the stubborn, irrational insistence that I matter.
The dream fades, but the warmth it brought doesn't. Not entirely.
I close my eyes again. I don't sleep, exactly. I rest. And for the first time in longer than I can remember, rest feels like enough.
When morning actually comes, when real light breaks through the window, I'll have to get up and show up for my kids and navigate all the complicated feelings that come with loving someone who sometimes falls short and learning to trust my own discernment. I'll have to keep living in the messy reality of being human.
But right now, in this liminal space between dream and waking, I let myself simply exist. Not fixed. Not healed. But held. Witnessed. Whole enough, exactly as I am.
And that, I think, might be the whole point.

Wow… this really touched me. The conversation with Terence felt both mystical and deeply human, and it feels like you captured the space between those. Thank you for sharing something so vulnerable and beautiful.
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ReplyDeleteJess, I’ve read this several times now. The depth, beauty, and layered nuance in your writing are honestly mind-blowing. It’s the kind of piece I could imagine us dissecting for ages in English class.
DeleteThank you so much for taking the time to read this and leave a comment. I spent a few weeks, and in various emotional states, to arrive here. I'm satisfied that my subconscious said what it needed to. :D
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